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Author Topic: Star Trek: Discovery  (Read 1490 times)

Raymond T.

Star Trek: Discovery
« on: September 25, 2017, 03:04:14 PM »
The first two episodes are online. Here's the Good, the Bad and the Ugly


The Good
The series is visually stunning. The music is awesome. The plot is solid and draws you in. It does feel like a new Star Trek series... That said...

The Bad
People were afraid that there would be no action or suspense in this show. Unfortunately,... That's ALL we've gotten in these first two episodes. It's good that there is drama in this show...but there is no heart. They do a good job of spiking up all the drama and suspense... But I have NO IDEA who all the characters are at this point. So I have reason to care for anything or any one! The cold opening gave me a hint of heart between the captain and the main character, but that was all we were given. It is said that this show is set in the Prime Universe 10 years before Kirk. And although I can see how this universe is set 100 years before TNG, it would be more a kin to what I would expect the Kelvin Universe TNG would be like. It is by no means the worst show ever put on the small screen. But without any real heart in the show, I can't say that I am really drawn to it as it being a Star Trek show. The Orville is a better Star Trek show than Discovery is.

Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael is excellent. (Did the original script have Michael be a man, to have it changed to a female and forget to change the name? :unsure1: ) I do keep expecting walkers to jump at her left and right, but that is more my Walking Dead instinct. ;) She is the one factor that redeems the show. In many ways she is the Riker character, but with bigger balls. But I am afraid that is not enough for this to be true Star Trek. Doug Jones as Saru shows promise as I liked his interaction with Michael. But there is so little of it in the span of the 90 minutes of the two episodes total, that it is quickly forgotten. The Captain is...meh. I don't mind the actress herself. But I have a hard time believing her crew has followed her for the past 7 years. There is nothing that shows me people would want to follow her commands. The Klingons...I think I will refer to them as The Hangons for now. (Not to be confused with the Grabons, of course ;) ) Everything we learned about them in TNG and DS9 is out the spaceport. So meh.

The Ugly
I would not call the show bad. It has a lot of potential and I am interested to see where the story is going. First Seasons of Star Trek have always needed time to grow and fill their own shoes. I hope the show eventually will get a chance to mold itself into something that is more true to the taste of Star Trek. And at this point I do believe it does have the potential for that. But it needs to show a lot more heart first. Even the Enterprise show was able to get that down. But for now, if you want to have a show that feels more like the Star Trek we all love and know... Go watch the Orville.
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".

Daniel

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 11:05:32 PM »
There are some points that i agree.. special effect stunning.. erm ok war with klingons and such great.. but the show is fucked if this goes on with the talk in mind of how and what..

sure cbs is sweating because of orville and come on.. its much and much better and funny.. lol...

for one the story is true as it goes to the klingons, they where at war with them selfs after the big battle with starfleet so that story is prime to before kirk's time. but the minus i have with this is the bunch of talk between the number one and the captain, and the period she was been on vulcon .. i say "come on" gives us more reason to follow her story and the captain on why she was following her to believe she was right to become a gret captain and to change her again to a human.. second why even become vulcon. even that doesnt make sense.. also cbs also said their wont be any reason that there will be reverence points to either archer's time or kirk.. so why is sarek a mention point.. lol..

then there is this.. we see lots of tng vessels (no it is) for instance the vessel we see first is a steamrunner, we also see a miranda class starship, stargazer and some others.. those are re-modeled vessels from tng.. so why in the fuck would you build an ugly vessel (yes i already seen some shots from the third episode).

but then again its only two episode but i can say this if they keep this going then this will die out too fast and orville would win, and wow cbs will ban negative reviews on this.. come on make a better show.

and this from a true trekkie..


Raymond T.

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 12:03:19 PM »

Episode 3: Context is for Kings

[Spoiler Alert]

Oh boy... At face value, the series is not bad. There is action and drama. The plot does make sense. It does grab your attention. However, if you are looking for a StarTrek series...go watch The Orville instead.

Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael is keeping this thing together. I loved how she used the Alice in Wonderland bit to show some insight into her character. Unfortunately that is all we are getting. For all the action and drama we are getting, the one thing we need but is sorely lacking is heart. The people on the shuttle were in grave danger. The people on the away mission were in mortal danger. But,... We have NO idea who they all are. We are given zero reason to care for these people. The one person we might care for, lived on Vulcan and is doing her best to surpress emotion. So on all fronts there is zero heart. Even on Star Trek Enterprise the captain had a dog and Phlox was ...well... Phlox. Even Michael's roommate was more annoying than comedic relief.

And then there is the Discovery itself. Granted, it looks better than the promotional pictures we got back in 2015. But my god, that ship is still ugly. And why is there a tribble on the Captain's desk??? Wasn't the WHOLE POINT of Troubles With Tribbles that Cyrano Jones brought the Tribbles on board K-7 illegally, because the spiecies were up until that time UNKNOWN to everyone except the Klingons? So how can captain Lorca have one 10 years before those events? Also... Really? Breath scanner? I think we need to rename this show from Star Trek: Discovery to Aliens: Discovery. As you may remember, Alien: Resurrection used the Breath scanner bit as COMEDIC RELIEF! The Gorn skeleton in the background was a nice touch though.

Again. As a whole, the episode wasn't that bad. But it fails under the banner of it being Star Trek, in my humble opinion
« Last Edit: October 02, 2017, 12:08:33 PM by Raymond T. »
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".

Black Arachnis

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 12:51:25 PM »
not to mention those shuttles had an AWFUL lot of windows... not even TNG shuttles had so much... and seriously, Site-to-site transport on the Discovery when that was established as impossible in TOS? pretty sure that didn't start till midway into TNG and even then programmed by the likes of Data... a breathalizer doorlock, the shit? holographic display panels, replicators yeah, they call them food synthesizers... that also "conveniently" make clothes and trays.... yuh huh... and was that a klingon that was SCARED!? :P

Raymond T.

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 02:30:49 PM »
not to mention those shuttles had an AWFUL lot of windows... not even TNG shuttles had so much... and seriously, Site-to-site transport on the Discovery when that was established as impossible in TOS? pretty sure that didn't start till midway into TNG and even then programmed by the likes of Data... a breathalizer doorlock, the shit? holographic display panels, replicators yeah, they call them food synthesizers... that also "conveniently" make clothes and trays.... yuh huh... and was that a klingon that was SCARED!? :P
It would fit, if it was set in the Kelvin timeline... Even if there was only one person who gave a crap if things made sense in the Kelvin Timeline. But CBS keep claiming it is set in the Prime Timeline. So... Meh...
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".

Daniel

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2017, 01:22:53 PM »
not to mention those shuttles had an AWFUL lot of windows... not even TNG shuttles had so much... and seriously, Site-to-site transport on the Discovery when that was established as impossible in TOS? pretty sure that didn't start till midway into TNG and even then programmed by the likes of Data... a breathalizer doorlock, the shit? holographic display panels, replicators yeah, they call them food synthesizers... that also "conveniently" make clothes and trays.... yuh huh... and was that a klingon that was SCARED!? :P
It would fit, if it was set in the Kelvin timeline... Even if there was only one person who gave a crap if things made sense in the Kelvin Timeline. But CBS keep claiming it is set in the Prime Timeline. So... Meh...

that is it.. cbs is saying no to kelvin timeline as they remark to prime.. however, look at their uniform, see a resamblance? yes kelvin uniform from the movies, as to the bridge same as kelvin timeline, so no this isnt prime.. its a gooddamn kelvin timeline, even star trek online made out a timeline chart that it explains kelvin.. so come on.. sure it nice to watch the show as it has some good things in, but really a prime star trek defently not, seth knew how star trek works and to make one that great sure cbs is sweating now or consider to seu seth.. but heck they dont have the money since they had a big case from anaxar..

also the ships seen in the show also remarks to kelvin, shuttle resambles to the shuttle from the movie, just a here and there some holes in and whola we got a brand new shuttle..ugh an ugly shuttle.. damn i sounds like starship troopers  :thinking: but as to us oldy trek fans its not a star trek show, its nice but not good.. for the next generation it would be a good start but then there is a missing message that gene wanted in the show and if it is , then it is barely seeing unless there is lots of boobs getting in the picture, but i doubt it..


Raymond T.

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 04:06:36 PM »


Episode 5: Choose your pain

[Spoiler Alert]

5 Episodes in and we finally get another hint at some heart in this show with the Telescope scene. Other than that this thing is devoid of human emotions. I like Rainn Wilson (and yes I have to say that because of his tiny bit in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen as Professor Colan), this portrail has zero to do with the merchant Harry Mudd that we have grown to love from TOS. Not to mention that I don''t recognize anything in the Hangon Empire. I'm not even going into the Stamets-Colber relationship. I don't mind them being gay, but it was so very thrown in your face, it was almost insulting. Points to them using Majel Barrett's voice (uncredited) for the voice of the computer and dropping the names of Robert April and Christopher Pike. But that's not enough to make see this as being Star Trek. It's a nice sci-fi series, but it sucks at being Star Trek.
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".

Black Arachnis

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2017, 11:57:25 PM »
and yet Discovery seems to handle Stamets and the CMO's relationship better then Alex and Maggie on Supergirl... as much as it pains me to compliment Discovery.... :seeingstars:

Daniel

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 04:43:27 PM »
better like this ship then discovery!!



Ps, also watch "after trek" it's actually better then discovery itself.. lots of items comes past that came into the show.. even that biggy chewie with lots of ????? about this chewie..lol  you have to watch it.. yes also on Netflix..
« Last Edit: October 17, 2017, 04:57:49 PM by Daniel »


Raymond T.

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 02:19:04 PM »

Episode 6: Lethe

[Spoiler Alert]

To quote the original Kirk; "You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!" That is starting to describe this serie for me. This episode did its darndest to hit all the Star Trek tropes. They speak of hope and conflict. They seek emotions where none are to be perceived. But still there is virtually no heart in any of the story. Only Tilly is the spark that harks a glimmer of hope, but she really had nothing to do in this episodes besides looking pretty.

We are still expected to care about the people on board the Discovery, but there is still nothing to klingon...erm...kling on to. Michael thought she had disappointed Sarek all those years ago and that's why she is the way she is? Did any one see that in the past 5 episodes? Because I sure didn't! We're just told this bit of backstory and are expected to just swallow it. Also, the long-range mind-meld??? Within the history of Star Trek, it made no sense. The flashbacks were done nicely. It explained why Spock and the Vulcan council had been at odds all those years. But I think it was a question no one really asked. It did put Spock and Michael in each others time frame. So that gives up more on Michael, but that's about it.

And then we have our drinking game "what shouldn't exist yet". The food stations look like the food synthesizers from tos, but they are most definately Replicators that TOS didn't have yet. In TOS you had to insert a food card or order food from the ship's galley to be send to the mess hall. They didn't replicate food the way it was shown in this episode. Also, again, the holograms... This time the captain has a personal stellar cartography display. TNG didn't get that until late in the show's run, and that was far more clunky than the captain's version was.

There were some good things about the episode. I liked the interaction between Michael and Sarek. It does explain why he was more open in the TOS episodes we saw him in, after everyone claimed he was a certain way. This interaction makes sense and was well done. I want to say that it did lack heart, but Sarek being a Vulcan it actually works here. The ship is still god aweful though...

Final verdict: I'm sticking with my opinion that Discovery is a fine sci-fi series, but it sucks at being a Star Trek series. They are starting to put more effort into it. But it still has a lot of issues. It breaks my heart that Discovery has already been given the green light for a second season, while The Orville, which is the better StarTrek-esque show is still pending on if they are given the green light for their second season. (Though Seth MacFarlane has been said is writing season 2, despite not word yet on its continuation).
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".

Black Arachnis

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 11:31:17 PM »
Burnham knows disco is dead right? :lol3:

Daniel

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 01:23:08 AM »
Burnham knows disco is dead right? :lol3:

Damn them... Damn them all!!!

however the end was good when klingons cut their troads..


Raymond T.

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 05:50:23 PM »
however the end was good when klingons cut their troads..
So they watched Game of Thrones....  :eyebrow:
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".

Daniel

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2017, 03:32:05 AM »
however the end was good when klingons cut their troads..
So they watched Game of Thrones....  :eyebrow:

erm.. what game of qo'nos  :thinking: :thinking:


Raymond T.

Re: Star Trek: Discovery
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 03:33:23 PM »

Episode 7

[Spoiler Alert]

It is almost impressive how a show can get better as a sci-fi and worse as a Star Trek all at the same time. The groundshog day trope has been done to death in sci-fi. But as a story it works here. There is a clear rhyme and reason why the characters can still progress. The reasoning behind the motivations are excellent. As a sci-fi story it was done perfectly... However it totally did not fit within what we know within the Star Trek lore. To start off with, Michael says she knows the crystal Mudd uses from back on Vulcan where it was linked to time travel... But it wasn't until Spock travelled SEVERAL TIMES through time, before the vulcan council finally accepted that time travel was possible. Not until Spock's famous calculations were brought in as proof. Star Trek Enterprise is supposed to be within canon for Discovery. That whole show was about how no one on Vulcan believed T'Pol that she had dealt with time travel. T'Pol herself had a hard time dealing with the temperal wars, because her core teaching was that time travel according to the Vulcan coucil was impossible... But Michael knew about this crystal... As for the space creature... Falkor did not age well... *starts singing 'Neverending stooorrryyyy'...*

And what about that "party"? It was more a frat house party. These officers may be off the clock, but they are at beck and call 24/7! And they proceed to drink? And drink hard?! Plus that music so did not fit the style for a starfleet gathering. All it did was solidify the arguement that this is NOT Star Trek. Any potential feel of this being Trek went out the window.

And finally... Rainn Wilson is an fine actor and a decend comedian. And so is Sonequa Martin-Green an excellent actress. But dear lord... The dialogue that had to work with was horrible. The direction was painful to watch. There was nothing to work with for them. And I don't know who Wilson was playing. But that was not Harry Mudd. He may be a creep. He may sell his mother for a quick buck. But he is not a killer. Nothing written in the story spoke the character of Mudd. If they want a character like this, that would have been fine! But not with that character or his name.

But I enjoyed Babylon: Discovery through all of its faults. The heart was force-fed into us this time. But at least in this episode they actually tried to give us human emotions. Give us a writer and a director who can make let that emote from the actors, and then we might have something there. But at this moment it still surprises me that this show is confirmed for a season 2, and a show like the Orville is still hanging in limbo if they can get a second showing...  :unsure1:
"Hang on to your dreams. The future is built on dreams".